Interview with Abe: David Klotz

I had the pleasure of speaking with Emmy nominee David Klotz, music editor for “House of the Dragon,” “Stranger Things,” and “Dahmer - Monster: The Jeffrey Dahmer Story.” Check out our great conversation for Below the Line News.

Emmy Catch-Up: Stranger Things (Season Finale)

Stranger Things: Season 4, Episode 7 “Chapter Seven: The Massacre at Hawkins Lab” (A-)

I’m not sure I’ve ever felt like I really understood what was happening on this show, and that may still be the case, but I was pretty floored by the way everything came together in a spectacular way at the end of this episode. It’s been difficult to discern when everything was taking place over the course of this season, especially as Eleven has been going through her memories. But it was very intense and effective to learn that the orderly who had been coaching Eleven was actually One, who killed everyone else at Hawkins Lab and then was sent into the upside-down by Eleven, where he became Vecna. Tying that in to Creel’s story where he was actually the one who was causing everything was chilling, especially as Nancy got to see it all happening. There were little moments of humor infused into this otherwise very dark episode, like Erica threatening to tell Dustin what she found under Lucas’ back unless he told her everything after trying to out them as liars to their parents and the cops and Nancy apparently having guns in her room. Figuring out that they were in an older version of her house was almost as cool as them figuring out how to communicate and get between the upside-down and the real world. Hopefully Nancy will be okay now after facing Vecna and hearing Barb screaming, though I’m sure they’ll be an epic battle in the final two supersized episodes that I somehow haven’t gotten spoiled for myself yet. Murray’s big act for the guards paid off, and now Hopper’s back with Joyce and ready to come back to a Hawkins that could use some help from the adults.

Season grade: B+
Season MVP: Sadie Sink as Max

Emmy Catch-Up: Stranger Things

Stranger Things: Season 4, Episode 6 “Chapter Six: The Dive” (B+)

Jason didn’t have too hard a time radicalizing the entire town when the police didn’t do much to comfort them, and the fact that there is a demonic entity threatening all of Hawkins means that they’re likely to get close enough to see what’s going on but still assign blame to the wrong people. Though I’ve been in favor of the group staying together, we got to see the big kids go off on the boat claiming a size limit and then leave behind the younger kids, which worked out well since Max was able to think quickly to distract from what was happening on the water while Steve put his swim training to good use. It’s about time all their parents realized they weren’t where they were supposed to be, and I enjoyed Erica’s reaction to the idea of calling the movie theater to find out if they were actually there. Eleven’s time-looped memories were quite disturbing, and even if Dr. Brenner has good intentions now, he did a lot of damage to her and the other kids in the past. Fortunately, there was comic relief in the form of Suzie’s know-how, the chaotic situation at her house that involved some strong acting and an unexpected romance for Argyle, and Murray and Joyce made the best of their situation to turn the tables on Yuri and go with a version of his plan that would work to their advantage. I’m sure that the super-sized finale will have plenty of intense moments and a cliffhanger that I’ll be fortunate to be able to speed through given how late I’m watching it.

Emmy Catch-Up: Stranger Things

Stranger Things: Season 4, Episode 5 “Chapter Five: The Nina Project” (B+)

Cell phones and the internet really have made things easier, and a frantic search for a way to contact Owens and a road trip to Salt Lake City to find Suzie would not have been necessary. But fortunately all these people are clever and finally working together, doing their very best to protect Max and to help train Eleven so she can be the asset she needs to be. So far, things are going okay with Max and listening to her music, though she’s right to think that maybe she’ll get sick of it eventually and it won’t always be a comfort. I like that she and Lucas are back on good terms, though it’s possible that he should have stayed with his football friends to prevent them from terrifying Eddie as he was fleeing by boat. But Patrick kept hearing that chime and seeing the clock, which is never a good thing, and now he appears to be Vecna’s latest target. Eleven is having a tough time readjusting to being back in an all-too-familiar place, and Dr. Brenner’s methods for restarting her training were far from comforting. Now it appears he’s gotten her back to a place of submission, one where she might be able to continue harnessing the return of her powers. As Enzo and Hopper suffer together in a cell, Joyce was the one thinking ahead and figuring out a way to get free so that Murray could channel his childhood black belt experience into taking down Yuri, which he did a little too well, sending them crashing to the snowy ground.

Emmy Catch-Up: Stranger Things

Stranger Things: Season 4, Episode 4 “Chapter Four: Dear Billy” (B+)

This seems to be one of the standout episodes of the season, submitted along with the seventh installment for Emmy consideration in the directing category, and I can see why. It was quite a grand (extended) hour, with Max nearly getting overtaken in the same way that we’ve seen so many times from others but managing to resist, in part because of the conclusion Robin came to after their undercover academic operation and Lucas helping Dustin find the right music to play for her. This show knows how to go from a tender emotional moment to a terrifying one, showing the dark clouds coming in and how Max appeared possessed while she was interacting directly with Vecna. Writing letters to everyone in her life in case she did die was an intense choice, one that no one wanted to acknowledge but which suggests she’s much more prepared for what’s to come than any of Vecna’s other unsuspecting victims. Creel’s story was unpleasant and full of horrifying moments, and I appreciated the twin casting of Robert Englund, of Freddy Krueger fame, as his older self and Kevin L. Johnson from “Ozark” as his younger self. Things are getting very real on every front, with a clueless Argyle driving past the Byers home at exactly the right moment when they were trying to escape certain death. Yuri did feel like he could be friends with Murray, but opting to turn in Enzo, Hopper, and both of his new American friends for a bigger payout suggests that future is unlikely to come to pass.

Emmy Catch-Up: Stranger Things

Stranger Things: Season 4, Episode 3 “Chapter Three: The Monster and the Superhero” (B+)

Paul Reiser really is everywhere on TV these days, making an appearance in a few episodes of “The Boys” and earning an Emmy nomination last season for “The Kominsky Method.” Fortunately, Sam seems most interested in Eleven’s wellbeing, and, more importantly, in positioning her as their best chance at defeating Vecna to save Hawkins. It wasn’t a great time for Joyce to leave with Murray to fly to Alaska, and it wasn’t a surprise that Angela pressed charges against Eleven. Going back to fighting monsters might actually be less stressful than the teenage bullying she’s had to endure, and the chance to get her powers back would be very worthwhile. Steve needing to stay with his car because no one else could drive it was a good opportunity for Robin and Nancy to team up, but Nancy is far too distracted and closed-off to realize that Robin has a lot to offer. Being comfortable coming out would make things much easier for both Robin and Steve, but I doubt we’ll get to that on this show anytime soon. Max was all for going into the therapist’s office to try to get the information she needed, but what she found is much more troublesome. Hopefully, having knowledge of everything that has happened so far will make her able to resilient Vecna, but having her name said was absolutely an ominous way to end this episode. Lucas isn’t making great choices, not that he has any good options, and those brainless teammates of his are the last obstacle that everyone needs to deal with right now.

Emmy Catch-Up: Stranger Things

Stranger Things: Season 4, Episode 2 “Chapter Two: Vecna’s Curse” (B+)

There are so many different threads on this show, and I’m glad to see at least a few of them are combining so that more characters are working together. Max was quick to reunite with Dustin, who didn’t waste any time in destroying the meticulously-organized tape collection at Steve and Robin’s store to set up a base of operations. Robin was very clever to think to go through the list of rentals in the database to find the right person, and Eddie shared his wild recollections of what happened with the right group of people since they completely believed him. Nancy’s on the case and speaking to his father, but unfortunately Fred is the latest one swayed by that evil force. Chrissy’s boyfriend and his clueless friends all think that it was a game of D & D that went too far, and Lucas is going to have a tough time convincing them otherwise since they seem set on that theory. Without her powers, Eleven resorted to physical violence to show Angela that she had to stop messing with her, but I don’t think a rollerskate to the face is going to go over very well. It certainly doesn’t help that Mike and Will aren’t getting along. Murray continues to temper Joyce’s enthusiasm about the possibility of Hopper still being alive, but they did manage to piece together enough clues to realize that he’s in a Russian prison, and Alaska may be their next stop to figure out how to get him back.

What I’m Watching: Stranger Things (Season Premiere)

Stranger Things: Season 4, Episode 1 “Chapter One: The Hellfire Club” (B+)

It took me a while to get through season three of this show after I (somewhat) hastily caught up on seasons one and two when the second one was released, and I had planned to try to watch these episodes in quick succession. But a combination of being very behind on other shows, preparing to cover a film festival, and the insane runtime of these episodes means that I’m going to spread this one out again over the course of a number of weeks, which will definitely take me through the release of the final two episodes of the season that are apparently even longer than any of these. I see that as a positive since this show is really so immersive and feels like such a trip each extended hour. The opening scene was indeed tough to watch given the recent elementary school shooting, and it didn’t feel germane to the rest of the episode, though I’m sure it will all connect soon. Eleven’s adjustment to life in LA sounded solid at the start, but she’s now falling victim to general teenage cruelty, and trying to use her powers only to have them not work isn’t helping her popularity at all. Jonathan and Nancy are both struggling to keep up their relationship, while Steve seems to be very encouraging of Robin going for a romance that she’s not sure will work. Max is angry and not into spending time with anyone, while Mike and Dustin have new problems that aren’t quite otherworldly but are taking up a lot of their time and energy. Eddie and Chrissy are interesting new characters, though after what Chrissy endured in this episode, I’m not sure we’re going to be seeing much more of her. I’m not so into the possession aspect of this series, but I know it will still manage to be an immersive and intense season.

What I’m Watching: Stranger Things (Season Finale)

Stranger Things: Season 3, Episode 8 “Chapter Eight: The Battle of Starcourt” (B+)

I realize that I’m way behind on finishing this season, but I really enjoyed it. I also know that I’ll still have to wait a long time for season four since it likely won’t be out until the end of the year or sometime next year, but I’ll be ready and I’ll start it right when it begins. This has been a superb year. I was thrilled when Hopper showed up to emphatically stomp on the creature Eleven had just evicted from her leg right before the opening credits, and it was good to see everyone finally together. We got confirmation – finally – that Suzie is very real, and she and Dustin had quite the duet when he called her to get some very important time-sensitive information. I was impressed with Lucas’ idea to use fireworks to combat the mind flayer, and Eleven managed to get through to Billy by talking about his childhood before he ended up getting killed. It seems unlikely that Hopper is really dead since he’s such a central character on this show, and we didn’t actually see him die (I'll make no mention of season four trailers here). After such an action-packed episode, I was glad that we got to fast-forward a little to check in with our characters. Eleven telling Mike that she loves him too was sweet, and I particularly enjoyed Steve failing so miserably at identifying even the most basic movies like “Star Wars” and “Back to the Future.” That post-credits scene indicates that things are far from safe in Russia, and something tells me that the Demogorgon will return to Hawkins sooner rather than later. Bring it on!

Season grade: A-
Season MVP: David Harbour as Hopper

What I’m Watching: Stranger Things

Stranger Things: Season 3, Episode 7 “Chapter Seven: The Bite” (B+)

The final scene of this episode was the big payoff we’ve been waiting for all season, reuniting all of our young characters and preparing them for one last epic battle where their number one weapon may be down for the count. It looked like Dustin and crew were about to be shot by Russians with guns – admittedly a dark turn of events even for this show – before Eleven was able to set the car alarm off and then hurl it at the aggressors to crush all of them. Bringing them together is very exciting, and I’m sure there will be more entertaining interactions now that they’re an even bigger group. Steve and Robin tripping and then leaving the movie to go get water led to their eventual vomiting and the revelation that Robin likes Steve but just isn’t into guys in that way, something that took him a minute to process. I like that Max clashed with Nancy on wound management, followed by Mike not quite saying that love makes you crazy as he tried to express his feelings for Eleven. Lucas’ affinity for New Coke and everyone else’s failure to comprehend that was an odd but amusing subplot. Murray was right to diagnose an unresolved romantic connection between Joyce and Hopper, but who has time for more than hand-holding when you’re being forced onto rides while confronting other parents and dealing with newfound Russian allies getting shot just after they win big at the carnival? At least Joyce got to vent some of her frustration with a few well-placed blows to more than Larry’s public image.

What I’m Watching: Stranger Things

Stranger Things: Season 3, Episode 6 “Chapter Six: E Pluribus Unum” (B+)

This episode featured an intense start, one that saw Nancy hurled across the room and nearly killed by the mind flayer, ending in an even more terrifying way with Eleven made well aware that she didn’t come anywhere near destroying the beast. Eleven was formidable in dispelling it out the window and saving the day, and she pushed herself to go deeper and use as many tissues as possible to get to Billy’s past. There were a lot of visual effects at the end of the episode, representing a more serious and frightening threat in an episode that also saw the hapless Steve being tortured. Robin confessing that she was obsessed with Steve even when he was a jerk was interesting, and she did a better job of holding out than he did. It’s lucky that Dustin burst in when he did, and I like that Erica believed everything he told her except that her brother was involved. I enjoyed Mike and Max arguing about what’s best for Eleven and his accidental proclamation of love that everyone except for her heard. Hopper getting the wrong flavor for his captive led to a very entertaining dynamic, one that allowed him to be right for once and Joyce to assert herself when she didn’t feel heard. I’m not always too fond of Brett Gelman, from “Married,” “Fleabag,” and “Camping,” but I think he’s perfect as Murray, whose paranoia led to him knowing Russian and who adds just the right element to the conversation between Hopper, Joyce, and Dr. Alexei.

What I’m Watching: Stranger Things

Stranger Things: Season 3, Episode 5 “Chapter Five: The Flayed” (B+)

It’s episodes like this that explain why this show is often classified as horror (which made me avoid watching it until the overwhelming awards love convinced me I had to try it), though it’s the type that doesn’t bother me or really scare me despite its inherently frightening construction. I was thrilled that two distinctly separate groups came together in this hour when Nancy and Jonathan showed up to convince Mike, Will, Lucas, Max, and Eleven that something seriously bad was going on, though the hospital’s two-visitor policy just served to separate them again. Nancy and Jonathan experienced quite the terrifying pursuit from Tom and Bruce, who weren’t particularly nice before they got flayed. Let’s hope that Eleven isn’t too distracted by Mike sucking up to her with M and Ms to show up to try to defeat the newly-reformed Demogorgon or whatever that is in the hallway between Nancy and Jonathan. The elevator crew encountered their own worrisome sight in the form of a Russian drilling operation to seemingly puncture the Upside-Down, and, resourceful as this crack team of Dustin, Steve, Robin, and Erica may be, I don’t know that they’ll be able to stop what they’re doing before it’s too late. Hopper was unhinged as ever as he battled some Russians and even managed to capture one, and I can definitely understand why David Harbour is the lone cast member earning awards recognition at this point for this show, even if I’m partial to a handful of the child actors. Brett Gelman’s conspiracy theorist Murray Bauman was nutty as ever, and I like that Joyce wasn’t about to put up with any of his behavior.

What I’m Watching: Stranger Things

Stranger Things: Season 3, Episode 4 “Chapter Four: The Sauna Test” (B+)

It’s a rare relief to see our characters actually onto the right targets on this show, with Eleven rightfully suspecting Billy of being more than a little bit weird when she and Max found him acting strange with Heather and her parents. At least the two of them were open to answering the phone from the boys when they kept calling in a code red on the radio, though Eleven isn’t anywhere close to forgiving Mike for not treating her well. I was very worried that Max was going to crack and decide to let her brother out, but the mind flayer managed to reveal his presence before that happened and he burst out. Eleven was a good match for the mind flayer but she wasn’t strong enough, and it was freaky watching Nancy panic as Mrs. Driscoll’s body went crazy at the same time. The sight of that whole army of mind flayer drones at the end of the episode was extremely disconcerting, and let’s hope that Robin, Steve, and Dustin can be just as resourceful as they were in this instance by hiring a small assistant by offering her lots of free ice cream to give them a leg up on their enemies. The mind-flayed Tom was very angry at Nancy and Jonathan, and unfortunately the real Tom was mean and terrible enough that they didn’t realize he was being possessed. Now their relationship also appears to be in jeopardy. Hopper didn’t waste much time going back and forth with blackmail with Larry, and that situation got violent fast. This season, now at the halfway point, is definitely heating up.

What I’m Watching: Stranger Things

Stranger Things: Season 3, Episode 3 “Chapter Three: The Case of the Missing Lifeguard” (B+)

Eleven has come a long way from trying to experience sensory deprivation to connect with Will to now using her powers and a blindfold to spy on boys’ conversations that, unfortunately for them, included less than intellectual moments and a lengthy fart from Lucas to end her spying. That trick got serious quickly as she opted to spy on Billy and saw Heather crying for help from a bathtub. It turns out many of the events and storylines that we’ve been seeing are connected, with Heather’s father revealed to be Tom, Nancy and Jonathan’s terrible boss. Seeing Heather was quite a shock, and everything about that dinner party was freaky. Things don’t look good for any of the members of Heather’s family, and Will, no longer obsessed with role-playing, confirmed that things have started again and there’s a whole lot of cause for concern. Hopper was angry with Joyce when he showed up less than apologetic about her reasons for standing him up, and he now seems to realize, just a bit late as usual, that things are not going well. Let’s hope that, despite the newspaper staff laughing off her investigative journalism, Nancy is going to press ahead and help figure out how to stop the latest otherworldly threat facing everyone. The crack team of Dustin, Steve, and Robin may also be the best chance that Hawkins has for survival, though there’s a bit too much going on right now for it to be totally clear that everyone’s going to end up okay.

What I’m Watching: Stranger Things

Stranger Things: Season 3, Episode 2 “Chapter Two: The Mall Rats” (B+)

It’s quite a trip getting back into this show’s universe, but I’ve decided that I’m going to try to finish this most recent season, which premiered way back in July, by the end of the year. I’m not sure what to make of the supernatural developments, namely Billy coming face-to-face with himself before knocking Karen out and seemingly sacrificing fellow lifeguard Heather to some beast and the rat that Nancy and Jonathan saw exploding and then oozing out to become something much more terrifying. You’d think that our friends would pay more attention to Will now that he’s back and perfectly alive, though he’s only interested in playing games rather than helping out his good bud Mike, who’s not doing a great job of navigating his fear of Hopper and his affection for Eleven. After a thoroughly enjoyable shopping trip with her new girlfriend Max, Eleven’s deliberate style of speaking made her delivery of “I dump your ass” all the more biting. Hopper’s celebration definitely didn’t go as planned after Joyce stood him up to spend time with Scott, and that coupled with all this protest stuff is going to send him off the deep end. Dustin and Steve were way too excited to see each other when he stopped by the ice cream shop, and I’m glad that Robin asserted herself so that she could help them translate the Russian words. Steve was the unexpected MVP of the hour when he deduced that this recording was considerably more local than they suspected.

Netflix with Abe: Stranger Things (Season Premiere)

Stranger Things: Season 3, Episode 1 “Chapter One: Suzie, Do You Copy?” (B+)

I came to the party late with this show, and I’m also someone who found season two to be much stronger than season one. I watched this episode a few months ago with plans to continue through the streaming backlog I’ve created for myself one episode at a time, but I decided that I’m going to watch all of season three starting now so that I’ll be up to date on this previous Golden Globe and SAG contender. It’s been almost two full years since I finished the second season. This opener was both informative and entertaining, catching us up on what’s happened in the interim. It’s so strange to see Mike and Eleven making out all the time and acting like a real couple, much to the annoyance of both their friends and Hopper. I like that Hopper tried to get Joyce to help him talk to Eleven, and that it went so poorly when he panicked and then threatened Mike in the car after making up a story about his grandmother. Lucas and Max’s dynamic is fun if not looking too good for Lucas, and I’m hopeful that Dustin’s Mormon girlfriend from Utah is indeed real. Everything is definitely not all good with Will, and he should really talk to someone about it, perhaps Dustin since he’s also going to have a tough time getting people to believe that he overheard some sinister Russian code on the radio. The older kids have changed much more, with Billy now the dreamboat lifeguard for all the mothers at the pool. Nancy isn’t flourishing in her low-level newspaper job, and it would be great to see her finally break through after the harsh treatment she’s getting from the chauvinistic male reporters.

What I’m Watching: Stranger Things (Season Finale)

Stranger Things: Season 2, Episode 9 “Chapter Nine: The Gate” (B+)

To think that, just five months ago, I had never seen this show is crazy to me. I’m now a big fan, and though I don’t have to wait as long as everyone else for season three, it’s still going to be at least nine months until it comes out. Fortunately, this has been a really great year, one that I think I found even more enjoyable than seeing one. Reuniting with Eleven was a wonderful moment, though she didn’t actually spend all that much time with the other characters since she was so focused on closing up that bridge to the upside down which she managed to impressively do. Hopper’s reaction to Dustin clarifying the term “demadogs” was one of my favorite parts of the episode, and Steve using sports metaphors and everyone about the dance at the end of the episode rank too. Burning the demagorgon out of Will proved successful, which is a relief, and everyone working together worked out extremely well. I’m a big fan of Max, but I’m still not sure exactly what Billy’s role was in this season. It was good to see both Max and Steve stand up to him and scare him into submission, but otherwise he didn’t stand out much of a character aside from his unexpected flirtation with Nancy’s mom when he stopped by. This season did great things for Nancy, Lucas, and Dustin, and I’m really excited to revisit everyone next year when this show returns for its highly anticipated third season.

Season grade: A-
Season MVP: Millie Bobby Brown as Eleven

What I’m Watching: Stranger Things

Stranger Things: Season 2, Episode 8 “Chapter Eight: The Mind Flayer” (B+)

Well, this easily has to be the most action-packed episode of this show yet, and it also delivered a major casualty for one of our series regulars. Mike was smart to come up with the idea to make Will sleep since he was a spy and knew where they were, and Joyce asking him who she was proved that he wasn’t the Will that they knew. Making sure that he didn’t know where he was and spending time appealing to his human nature while he tapped out messages to them was cool, and I was most excited to see everyone together. We now know that Dr. Owens was one of the good ones despite his nefarious origins, staying behind to make sure that everyone could get out of harm’s way. Unfortunately, the gregarious, brave Bob didn’t make it out alive, ducking into the closet to find Joyce waiting for him before the demagorgon pounced on him and then shared him with the others so that they could rip him apart. There were some good classic friend conversations in this episode, like how Dustin and Lucas both broke the rule of law and how Max thought that Eleven must have been really awesome. Fortunately, we just had to wait until the end of the hour for a demagorgon to be thrown into the house where Nancy, Steve, and Lucas were waiting with their gun, bat, and slingshot, respectively, to see that the newly-restyled Eleven was back and ready to team up with our powerless friends to take back Hawkins from these invading creatures.

What I’m Watching: Stranger Things

Stranger Things: Season 2, Episode 7 “Chapter Seven: The Lost Sister” (B)

I realized a few minutes into this episode that I had read about this seventh episode and how everyone seemed to hate it, which seemed strange to me because I can’t imagine most binge-watchers can identify one episode from another. I do understand that this featured a mostly throwaway plotline that didn’t feel anything like this show usually does, and in all likelihood, we’ll never see any of these characters again except for the one who’s a star of the show. What I found valuable about this episode was that Eleven found her sister and they were able to bond over their shared experiences, and that Eight had some pretty cool powers. Eleven’s abilities have always been one of my favorite elements of this show, and watching her make someone see spiders, turn the group invisible, and create an “Inception”-style barrier to hide their getaway was definitely cool. Whether or not it needed to take up an entire episode, it was still valuable to see Eight try to push Eleven towards violence, something that she resisted since she didn’t think it was necessary unless they were really stopping bad men. Most importantly, she saw Hopper and Mike and realized that they needed her help, prompting her to get on a bus and tell the old lady she was sitting next to that she was going home to see her friends. Bring on chapter eight – I can’t wait until she and Max finally meet, and it will be cool if she and Will get to team up too!

What I’m Watching: Stranger Things

Stranger Things: Season 2, Episode 6 “Chapter Six: The Spy” (B+)

I’ve said before that I love when characters that don’t often interact spend time together on shows, and this episode allowed for a good deal of that. Steve was a perfect ally for Dustin, and I like that he coached him on how to go after the girl of his dreams. I think it’s fair to say that Max believes what Lucas told her by this point, and they were definitely holding hands when things got very scary. Will being in such pain was hard to watch, but as Mike was quick to realize, he was acting as the spy and managed to create a pathway for the Demogorgons (if that’s what they are – I’m still not really sure) to come dangerously close to the top of the lab and within view of Hopper, who hates those monsters a lot but I can’t imagine actually understands them. We haven’t seen Eleven in a while, and I hope that she realizes that this is exactly the time to come out of hiding since no one’s looking for her given that they have much bigger fish to fry. It’s good to see that Dr. Owens is one of the good guys on the bad side, open to the idea of Will being helpful and not ready to sacrifice his life for the greater good. I don’t know how all this will play out with Nancy and Jonathan’s expose given to the truly crazy Murray Bauman, but he did succeed spectacularly on one front, which was convincing Nancy and Jonathan that they should get over their hangups and just express their feelings already.